Thank you for reading and for your thoughts, but your examples are what I was getting at. Some of the examples you give are more dark web conspiracy theories - not facts and figures. We need to get back to debating actual policies! Last night's debate was a starting point. With Raniere (and Trump), there was always a reason why the media couldn't be trusted. If there are no reliable sources of "facts" then everything can be considered a lie, and disinformation wins. In my opinion, our country is better off if we move away from the cult of personality and become a country that debates legitimate ideas - regardless of differing opinions.